Simon Goldberg – The Shape of Healing

In this episode, Wendy speaks with psychologist and contemplative researcher Simon Goldberg. Simon uses tools drawn from psychotherapy research to better understand the therapeutic processes and outcomes of mindfulness and meditation-based interventions. This conversation covers many topics, including:


coming to practice through one's own suffering;

what we know from science about whether and how meditation "works;"

the nuts and bolts of meditation research, and the importance of control groups;

the file drawer effect and publishing negative findings;

common factors in healing interventions;

working with the self in psychotherapy vs. Buddhism;

the critical role of acceptance;

some challenges when measuring effects of meditation;

individualizing contemplative practice to suit the person;

delivering and studying meditation interventions through apps;

and the possibilities of AI to help support meditation practice.

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