Rethinking Security Reform with Chris Jagger

Welcome to the Policy People Podcast. In this conversation, I discuss how to reform a country’s security sector with Chris Jagger. We discuss security sector reform from first principles, Gambian culture and society, how to rebuild social trust in a post-regime environment, civil-military relations, the importance of national ownership in international development projects, the psychology of security vetting, similarities between Kosovo and The Gambia, why Kosovars are wonderful security consultants, how to become confident among uncertainty, why mentors are important for those working in security and many more topics. You can listen to the episode right away in the audio player embedded above, or right below it you can click “Listen in podcast app” — which will connect you to the show’s feed. Alternatively, you can click the icons below to listen to it on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. If you enjoy this conversation and would like to help the show, leaving us a 5-star rating and review on Apple Podcasts is the easiest way to do so.Thank you to Jimmybalz for leaving this review this week…To give us a review, just go to Policy People on Apple Podcasts and hit ‘Write a Review’.Chris Jagger is a special advisor to governments on security sector reform. He most recently headed an EU-backed project in The Gambia where he led a multi-agency team of senior officials and international consultants to develop new policies and practices for the country’s security. Chris has previously worked with NATO as Director of Maritime Security Reform at Joint Forces Command in Naples. He also headed NATO-led security vetting projects in Kosovo. He also teaches Hybrid Threats at the University of Rey Juan Carlos in Madrid. You can discover more about Project Trust on YouTube. You can also connect with Chris on LinkedIn or follow him on Twitter at the handle @2CEffects. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit policypeople.substack.com