63. Nicole Perlroth

Nicole Perlroth covers cybersecurity and digital espionage for The New York Times. She has covered Russian hacks of nuclear plants, airports, and elections, North Korea's cyberattacks against movie studios, banks and hospitals, Iranian attacks on oil companies, banks and the Trump campaign and hundreds of Chinese cyberattacks, including a months-long  hack of The Times. Her first book, “This Is How They Tell Me The World Ends,” about the global cyber arms race, was published in February 2021. The book, and several of her Times articles, have been optioned for television. A Bay Area native, Ms. Perlroth is a guest lecturer at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and a graduate of Princeton University and Stanford University.

She and Zuckerman discuss moving to California, choosing to leave an enviable position, naming and shaming, Chinese and Russian hackers and hackers for hire, vulnerabilities, being a story teller, zero days, spy agencies, being a target, managing paranoia, election threats, being a mom and a female journalist, acting on what you most care about, the humans that are involved, and what “they” tell us!
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